March '25 Chat -- Hurry up, Spring! We got things to do!

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darkness

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Ya know, its been a long time since I opened EFILive, let alone ever used V8. Always been a V7.5 guy.
Bought a V2, oh, 10 years ago and never opened it. So using V8 had a bit of a learning curve to it. :ROFLMAO:
I still use 7.5 too. I open v8 sometimes and it’s just so visually unappealing
 

TheBac

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Yeah, I've been watching it.. going back to pre 2008 regs, personally like to see the stuff go back to pre 1970s standards
Cats arent that bad anymore, are they? But the DEF and DPF's have got to go. (Im working on that right now.)
 

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My mom passed away 3 months ago and we're going through things. Found a few items that were my dad's. I still have my Sears timing strobe light from the early 80's.
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To me yes, though they're nowhere near as bad.. More of get rid of the over reaching completely thus making it harder to happen a 2nd time..
Isn't that kinda what the recent supreme court decision on Chevron deference was about? Stop the agencies from making up laws. Congress is supposed to make the laws and the executive branch with its hundreds of agencies are supposed to enforce them. If there was any ambiguity in the law the justice department would sort it out. But we had non elected personnel in these three letter agencies making rules and laws and thats where the overreach really came from
 

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Isn't that kinda what the recent supreme court decision on Chevron deference was about? Stop the agencies from making up laws. Congress is supposed to make the laws and the executive branch with its hundreds of agencies are supposed to enforce them. If there was any ambiguity in the law the justice department would sort it out. But we had non elected personnel in these three letter agencies making rules and laws and thats where the overreach really came from
Exactly how it's supposed to work..
And we as a society have gotten way to comfortable with the boiling water in the pot.

Also a lot of people think freedom is safe as well. It's the opposite, however it is safest form of safety as government controlled safety quickly leads to mass population inearthment
 

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Exactly how it's supposed to work..
And we as a society have gotten way to comfortable with the boiling water in the pot.

Also a lot of people think freedom is safe as well. It's the opposite, however it is safest form of safety as government controlled safety quickly leads to mass population inearthment
Yep. Safety and liberty are on opposite sides of the spectrum
 

malibu795

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He’ll be interesting to see how this turns out.

Im not all for the coal rolling brodozing.

But damn the emissions crap was unreliabile
I'm curious if all those settlement agreements a lot of shops got bullied into get voided as well, a long with court rulings against the shops/companies
 

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I'm curious if all those settlement agreements a lot of shops got bullied into get voided as well, a long with court rulings against the shops/companies
Anything settled will likely stick. Stuff that is still in the works might be dropped. I don't think the change will be retroactive. Just a moving forward type approach
 

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One of things I saw, is that a Lawyer was stating that there is now a legal precedence for them to go back and over turn those cases and also since they were not done Legally, that those settlements could be reversed and that those agencies would have to pay back.

Obviously each person would have to get there own legal council to see if it's warranted.

I for one would like to see a certain member have his case overturned and the Felony charges removed as a result. It's not about the money, It's about the over reach and how they went about things Illegally to obtain the fine and issue Criminal charges. The Chevron Doctrine ruling shows that.
 

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One of things I saw, is that a Lawyer was stating that there is now a legal precedence for them to go back and over turn those cases and also since they were not done Legally, that those settlements could be reversed and that those agencies would have to pay back.

Obviously each person would have to get there own legal council to see if it's warranted.

I for one would like to see a certain member have his case overturned and the Felony charges removed as a result. It's not about the money, It's about the over reach and how they went about things Illegally to obtain the fine and issue Criminal charges. The Chevron Doctrine ruling shows that.
Yeah. Only way is to re-litigat those cases. There's not going to be any easy way out and broad ruling to overturn them
 

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I was surprised to see DHD just settled for a $70,000 fine for their issues. I almost wonder if they wouldn’t have held out for a little while longer if they would’ve just not had to worry about it at all. At a certain point time you just want that shit behind you. I can’t imagine many shops wanting to drag that shit out again for a re-trial.

If I told you guys what my company lost in the last six months on emissions, equipment issues, you’d be floored. Of my head I think we’re up till like 20 DPF’s alone. And ALL of our equipment is 6 months or less old. I’ve had guys sitting at home for a week before because we couldn’t keep the fricking junk on the job running. Komatsu has been the absolute worst. All of their systems are tied together and it’s domino effect on one component fails. Injectors had to be done with DPFs…..
 

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@Dozerboy the problem or SOP is the EPA will come in threaten with a $XX million fine or settle for pennies on the dollar and a K form? On not to participate again..
While they/EPA can't "burden" your company directly they'll run you in the ground with court cost and legal fees..
ATF has been playing that game with rare breed triggers last few years as well.
Korey mentioned somewhere he's spent some 20M in legal fees not including his fine
 

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@Dozerboy the problem or SOP is the EPA will come in threaten with a $XX million fine or settle for pennies on the dollar and a K form? On not to participate again..
While they/EPA can't "burden" your company directly they'll run you in the ground with court cost and legal fees..
ATF has been playing that game with rare breed triggers last few years as well.
Korey mentioned somewhere he's spent some 20M in legal fees not including his fine
Yep, the process is the punishment. Even if the EPA or whatever agency looses the court case, they still win the fight. They fight you with your tax dollars so they always win, even if they "loose"
 

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I was surprised to see DHD just settled for a $70,000 fine for their issues. I almost wonder if they wouldn’t have held out for a little while longer if they would’ve just not had to worry about it at all. At a certain point time you just want that shit behind you. I can’t imagine many shops wanting to drag that shit out again for a re-trial.

If I told you guys what my company lost in the last six months on emissions, equipment issues, you’d be floored. Of my head I think we’re up till like 20 DPF’s alone. And ALL of our equipment is 6 months or less old. I’ve had guys sitting at home for a week before because we couldn’t keep the fricking junk on the job running. Komatsu has been the absolute worst. All of their systems are tied together and it’s domino effect on one component fails. Injectors had to be done with DPFs…..
That's absolutely terrible. So at only 6 months or less old are they even doing anything?
 
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