I thought you were talking about push rods not connectors, thats major surgery, have to pull the engine for that one...
new head gaskets, now runs rough and smokes
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Well, I got it all together, fired it up and it threw a code which it did not do before, P0208, injector #8. I already pulled twice and cleaned it. any secret agent way to test the wires going to it?
I cleared the code and started it but this time no code still running rough, definitely one cylinder is not firing. I tried to attach a video but it will not let me for what ever reason..
I cleared the code and started it but this time no code still running rough, definitely one cylinder is not firing. I tried to attach a video but it will not let me for what ever reason..
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I was referring to the push rods. If you set the lash to tight at the bottom of the lobe stroke (basically partially opening the valve) then at top of lobe stroke, the spring goes into coil bind which leads to failure of a push rod.
My connecting rod issue was hydro lock due to stupidity. I do not know how much too short it was, but it was just enough that the piston became friends with the crank.
My connecting rod issue was hydro lock due to stupidity. I do not know how much too short it was, but it was just enough that the piston became friends with the crank.
How could you be "180 out" if you did not change the cam chain??? pulling the heads has nothing to do with timing
Thanks Mogman, you are correct. My thinking was if I was on #4 TDC and made the adjustment at the #1 cylinder thinking it was on the #1 but I was not, I guess that would be 360.
I took a video yesterday but having problems attaching it to this thread...
Mornin Dave, what are the chances of you swinging by sunday, I'm out of town today and tomorrow?
Best to post to Youtube then post the Youtube link here on the forumI took a video yesterday but having problems attaching it to this thread...
Should be able to. PM sent.
Update on this: Mike had disassembled the injectors to clean them. Disabling injectors #1 and #3 (also tested by unplugging #3) would cause a loud knock.
Balance rates were all -4 except #4 and #8 which were +12.
Mike found a shim sitting on the workbench, so he pulled the injectors back apart and found #2 was missing the shim, causing the injector to leak fuel constantly. Put that back and it runs fine.
Never done much with the LBZ, but I find it strange that disabling #1 & #3 caused a knock, the bad balance rates were on #4 & #8, but the actual problem was #2. In my experience with LB7s things track a bit more consistently. That said, having an injector leaking that much fuel was probably throwing the ECU (and us) for a loop.
Balance rates were all -4 except #4 and #8 which were +12.
Mike found a shim sitting on the workbench, so he pulled the injectors back apart and found #2 was missing the shim, causing the injector to leak fuel constantly. Put that back and it runs fine.
Never done much with the LBZ, but I find it strange that disabling #1 & #3 caused a knock, the bad balance rates were on #4 & #8, but the actual problem was #2. In my experience with LB7s things track a bit more consistently. That said, having an injector leaking that much fuel was probably throwing the ECU (and us) for a loop.
Where's that "doh" smiley when I need it? Oh well, at least he got help from someone who knows what they're doing.
Dave, I cannot thank you enough for taking time out of your day to help out a stranger. Without your help It would have taken me longer to pinpoint the problem.
I also want thank all of you that extended what knowledge you have in helping out with the process of elimination.
So, lesson learned, I took apart the injector tip to spray test each of them and clean them up, I did not see the shim that rolled out which looks like a little 1/4" washer 1/8" thick actually 1.33 mm depending on the shim as they are all different, this shim goes into the injector body first then the spring then the small barrel tube that fits over that, now there also is a tiny little puck type shim that fits on top of the injector needle, it is tiny maybe 1/6" diameter you loose it good luck finding it. I ended up taking out each injector and checking for the shim, of course it was the very last one I checked.
All of this and 900 bux later, but to me was well worth it as I learned a lot about my motor. All because of a coolant leak from behind the motor, which by the way is still leaking. That will be another chapter.
Possibly due to the firing order is why 1&3 made it knock. 3 and then 1 come before 2 so that would be 3 holes that never fired before 7 then 8 & 4.
Good find though.
Well, I figured I had everything back to normal till I started driving and noticed the black smoke pouring out when I take off from a stop, the more I accelerate the more it blows. The air cleaner is fairly new, I cleaned all the injectors and put them back together with no left over parts and in proper order with shims and springs. Any ideas or things to check??
did you forget a rag in the intake?
there is a lot of reasons for black smoke. it really means not enough air for the fuel. you might need to run some logs of airflow, boost, mm3, fuel pressure, etc to see what's on.
it could also mean mechanical issues such as one or more leaking injectors. leaking EGR, turbo vanes, etc
it might be a good idea to return the tuning to stock until you get all of the issues resolved so we can rule out tuning being the reason
there is a lot of reasons for black smoke. it really means not enough air for the fuel. you might need to run some logs of airflow, boost, mm3, fuel pressure, etc to see what's on.
it could also mean mechanical issues such as one or more leaking injectors. leaking EGR, turbo vanes, etc
it might be a good idea to return the tuning to stock until you get all of the issues resolved so we can rule out tuning being the reason
I think you screwed up your injectors when you tore them apart.
IIRC, "Injectors Direct" was one of the places that had a very poor reputation for injector quality in the first place.
IIRC, "Injectors Direct" was one of the places that had a very poor reputation for injector quality in the first place.
HA, HA, no rags... I'm thinking a boost issue, gonna check all the fittings and gaskets
I'd probably put money on this one too. if I recall correctly wasn't injectors direct the same as the pensacola company that has ruined more injectors then Bosch in the LB7 has? something just doesn't sit well with me on this
So, I did some google researching and found that I may have a boost issue. Popped the hood and started checking all my clamps that had to do with air, low and behold the hard plastic fitting on the hot side (pasngr side) below the airbox was not fit properly so I refit the coupling with the funky ring that holds it together, I'm now in business again, runs like it did before, perfect, But I still have the coolant coming from the bellhousing at the bottom, a constant drip. I guess there are 2 plugs on the back side of the block that could be leaking, that sux, I'd have to drop the tranny to get to them unless there may be something else just can't see behind there from up above and with a camera probe can't see well enough.... arg...