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550hp on a engine dyno is there some sort of corection in that? I though without driveline loss it would max out over 600.

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550hp on a engine dyno is there some sort of corection in that? I though without driveline loss it would max out over 600.

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I would also agree with you on that! This is no correction factor at all and my engine dyno is one of the worse if you are looking for big numbers, you have to really earn them here! The rest of it I am sure is my motor and fuel combo because the injectors are so damn big for the poor little turbo but it makes for a great baseline to go off of. I'm really not worried about the numbers just the difference when the parts are changed.
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Stock motor best 11.277@119mph B68mmStg2R 250%inj 12mmcp3

Wife's tow rig-08 LMM SierraHD SLT2 "Stormy" CCSB murdered out 68mmSTG2R Exergy 12mmcp3 1/8th 7.93@88mph 1/4-12.408@109.18mph
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Old 09-21-2017, 05:42 PM
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So round two tonight I went ahead and grabbed a used BMW2.5 Stg2 off the floor in my turbo shop that is 4 years old and left everything else the same. Here are the numbers and I got a video from inside the dyno room also.

Recap Stock LMM Core turbo
Tune1 435Hp 781ftlbs 25psi boost 1300degrees max
945us 14degrees
Tune2 495Hp 941Ftlbs 29psi boost 1500degrees Max
1130us 16degrees
Tune3 520hp 1033ftlbs 31psi boost 1600degrees Max
1175us 17.5degrees
Tune4 550hp 1105ftlbs 33psi boost 1670degrees Max
1310us 19degrees
Tune5 450hp 850ftlbs 30psi boost 1400degrees Max Way over fueled!
1525us 20degrees

BMW 2.5 Stg2 LLY based turbo

Tune 1 482hp 843ftlbs 26psi boost 1400*

Tune 2 532hp 950Ftlbs 29psi boost 1500*

Tune3 563Hp 1001ftlbs 31psi 1600*

Tune 4 604hp 1093ftlbs 33psi 1650*

Tune 5 645hp 1240ftlbs 35psi 1650*

So basically without any tuning changes we picked up roughly 35-50hp on each level with the turbo swap. If I was to change the tuning to go with the turbo I know it would pick up more but that isn't my goal here so I'm happy with the results. FYI the Tune5 corrected numbers are 705hp 1350ftlbs because it is 90* in the dyno room tonight! I went back and looked at all the runs tonight and its basically 50hp correction across the board. This is why I use the raw uncorrected data because it does swing soo much like the corrected does and makes testing much better when you are trying to be as consistant as possible with the data. Next turbo is a BMW65mmstg2 I have sitting here, very interested to see how the 2mm increase in inducer changes the numbers...Stay tuned!

FYI-I have done and engine on here and then installed it into the truck and chassis dynod it and I saw a 12% drop in HP and a 24% drop in torque.

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Made it on fastest DMax list with Single VGT and single cp3 fuel only! 1.589 60ft 6.9291@103mph 1/8th 10.96@127.76mph
Stock motor best 11.277@119mph B68mmStg2R 250%inj 12mmcp3

Wife's tow rig-08 LMM SierraHD SLT2 "Stormy" CCSB murdered out 68mmSTG2R Exergy 12mmcp3 1/8th 7.93@88mph 1/4-12.408@109.18mph
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Good stuff Mark, thanks for sharing
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FYI-I have done and engine on here and then installed it into the truck and chassis dynod it and I saw a 12% drop in HP and a 24% drop in torque.
was this for the lowest tune, highest or all? I've heard it was 20%, never believed it. also it has been stated that the % stays the same regardless of how much HP its making. this also doesn't make any sense either. should be a constant number or pretty close i would think. 12% of 100 HP is 12 HP, 12% of 1000 HP is 120 HP.

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was this for the lowest tune, highest or all? I've heard it was 20%, never believed it. also it has been stated that the % stays the same regardless of how much HP its making. this also doesn't make any sense either. should be a constant number or pretty close i would think. 12% of 100 HP is 12 HP, 12% of 1000 HP is 120 HP.

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Was on the biggest tune and I feel the same way about it but it's not easy to test honestly. I think it is a percentage but not linear.
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Are you going to run any s400 singles in your testing? Or only your vgt line up

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Very cool thread. Can't wait to read more.


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Sorry that I haven't added anything but I did the BMW65mmStg2 LBZ with the LBZ sized 10-blade turbine and started the testing only to have an issue with the dyno itself and that stopped my testing in it's tracks last week. The nitty gritty info is that dropping the turbine size cost me 10hp across the board and bumped the egt's up about 50-75*. I am going to try and get the dyno fixed and continue but I'm running out of time as my race is in two weeks and I need to get it finished and back in the truck and some miles on it. Regardless I will continue the testing with it on this motor or I will grab another one.


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Well, took the control valves apart and got them fixed and re ran this turbo(It is actually the same turbo that I run everyday on my LML) tonight and with the dyno working correctly the numbers are different than before. So Here it is.

Recap Stock LMM Core turbo
Tune1 435Hp 781ftlbs 25psi boost 1300degrees max
945us 14degrees
Tune2 495Hp 941Ftlbs 29psi boost 1500degrees Max
1130us 16degrees
Tune3 520hp 1033ftlbs 31psi boost 1600degrees Max
1175us 17.5degrees
Tune4 550hp 1105ftlbs 33psi boost 1670degrees Max
1310us 19degrees
Tune5 450hp 850ftlbs 30psi boost 1400degrees Max Way over fueled!
1525us 20degrees

BMW 2.5 Stg2 LLY based turbo

Tune 1 482hp 843ftlbs 26psi boost 1400*

Tune 2 532hp 950Ftlbs 29psi boost 1500*

Tune3 563Hp 1001ftlbs 31psi 1600*

Tune 4 604hp 1093ftlbs 33psi 1650*

Tune 5 645hp 1240ftlbs 35psi 1650*


BMW65mm Stg2 LBZ Reman

Tune1 473hp 830Ftlbs 25psi 1500*

Tune2 532Hp 960Ftlbs 30psi 1600*

Tune3 573Hp 1018ftlbs 32psi 1650*

Tune4 631hp 1138ftlbs 34psi 1750*

Tune5 650Hp 1305ftlbs 40psi 1730*


So as you can see, with less fuel you have a little less power because it takes more drive with the smaller turbine and larger compressor than the 2.5Stg2 LLy reman turbo but as you add the fuel then the bigger compressor really starts to shine! Tomorrow I will get a 68mm on it. Stay tuned!


Check out the video of Tune 5 and pay attention to the hp read out when the run stops and the dyno pulls the motor back down you can see the power really shoots up because the rpm is coming down and the boost is increasing. This little tid bit is important because it is part of the whole cylinder pressure issue that guys don't get to see or know about. This is what happens on a shift like the 4-5th gear or 5th-6th gr and your "safe" 500hp bends the rods and you can't figure out why. This is part of the reason I dyno my stuff the way I do so that I can see all the important info I need to. If you notice this dyno run was technically almost 40secs at full throttle from start to finish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shH3hke6fKs
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Current fastest pass 1.520 60ft 6.705@108.95mph 1/8th 10.242@140.11mph
Current Standing 1/2Mile record holder for Diesel Pickup @ 159.8mph
Made it on fastest DMax list with Single VGT and single cp3 fuel only! 1.589 60ft 6.9291@103mph 1/8th 10.96@127.76mph
Stock motor best 11.277@119mph B68mmStg2R 250%inj 12mmcp3

Wife's tow rig-08 LMM SierraHD SLT2 "Stormy" CCSB murdered out 68mmSTG2R Exergy 12mmcp3 1/8th 7.93@88mph 1/4-12.408@109.18mph
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Current fastest pass 1.520 60ft 6.705@108.95mph 1/8th 10.242@140.11mph
Current Standing 1/2Mile record holder for Diesel Pickup @ 159.8mph
Made it on fastest DMax list with Single VGT and single cp3 fuel only! 1.589 60ft 6.9291@103mph 1/8th 10.96@127.76mph
Stock motor best 11.277@119mph B68mmStg2R 250%inj 12mmcp3

Wife's tow rig-08 LMM SierraHD SLT2 "Stormy" CCSB murdered out 68mmSTG2R Exergy 12mmcp3 1/8th 7.93@88mph 1/4-12.408@109.18mph
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Any 68r or 72 testing?
I have it on good authority that he's going to tune a 68stg2r with 40 overs and a 12mm stroker on November 3rd
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BMW65mm Stg2 LBZ Reman

Tune1 473hp 830Ftlbs 25psi 1500*

Tune2 532Hp 960Ftlbs 30psi 1600*

Tune3 573Hp 1018ftlbs 32psi 1650*

Tune4 631hp 1138ftlbs 34psi 1750*

Tune5 650Hp 1305ftlbs 40psi 1730*


So as you can see, with less fuel you have a little less power because it takes more drive with the smaller turbine and larger compressor than the 2.5Stg2 LLy reman turbo but as you add the fuel then the bigger compressor really starts to shine!
Thanks for the testing Mark. These evidence based numbers are more realistic goals for my 65mm.
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Ok, well I had a very busy Friday night and Saturday as I did 4turbo swaps and an average of 6 runs per turbo. As of right now I currently have put 55 passes on this motor already which roughly equates to 11 minutes at full power! Ok so back to the data, all 4 turbos that were tested this weekend were LLY based turbine housing with the factory 3794va 10-blade turbine and stock vanes. As said before the tuning remained the same as I wasn't looking for max power just breaking in my new motor and doing a back to back test just for informative comparison. I will recap the previous test results and then add this stuff to it.

Recap Stock LMM Core turbo 61x88mm Comp)
Tune1 435Hp 781ftlbs 25psi boost 1300degrees max
945us 14degrees
Tune2 495Hp 941Ftlbs 29psi boost 1500degrees Max
1130us 16degrees
Tune3 520hp 1033ftlbs 31psi boost 1600degrees Max
1175us 17.5degrees
Tune4 550hp 1105ftlbs 33psi boost 1670degrees Max
1310us 19degrees
Tune5 450hp 850ftlbs 30psi boost 1400degrees Max Way over fueled!
1525us 20degrees

BMW 2.5 Stg2 LLY based turbo (63.5x88mm Comp)

Tune 1 482hp 843ftlbs 26psi boost 1400*

Tune 2 532hp 950Ftlbs 29psi boost 1500*

Tune3 563Hp 1001ftlbs 31psi 1600*

Tune 4 604hp 1093ftlbs 33psi 1650*

Tune 5 645hp 1240ftlbs 35psi 1650*


BMW65mm Stg2 LBZ Reman (65x88mm Comp)

Tune1 473hp 830Ftlbs 25psi 1500*

Tune2 532Hp 960Ftlbs 30psi 1600*

Tune3 573Hp 1018ftlbs 32psi 1650*

Tune4 631hp 1138ftlbs 34psi 1750*

Tune5 650Hp 1305ftlbs 40psi 1730*


BMW65mm Stg2 LLy Reman (65x88mm Comp)

Tune1 493hp 850ftlbs 27psi 1450*

Tune2 544hp 961ftlbs 30psi 1500*

Tune3 576hp 1008ftlbs 31psi 1650*

Tune4 640hp 1173ftlbs 36psi 1750*

Tune5 670hp 1316ftlbs 37psi 1700*

Cast Box GT3794Va Stg1 (65x94mm Comp)

Tune1 475hp 838ftlbs 25psi 1495*

Tune2 533hp 938ftlbs 28psi 1600*

Tune3 560hp 993ftlbs 30psi 1700*

Tune4 601hp 1140ftlbs 32psi 1750*

Tune5 632hp 1302ftlbs 37psi 1657*

DP BMW GT3794Va Stg2 (65x94MM Comp)

Tune1 485hp 845ftlbs 26psi 1460*

Tune2 550hp 950ftlbs 29psi 1650*

Tune3 580hp 102ftlbs 31psi 1700*

Tune4 651hp 1184ftlbs 35psi 1750*

Tune5 682hp 1312ftlbs 36psi 1750*

DP B68mm Stg2 (68x94mm Comp)

Tune1 483hp 840ftlbs 26psi 1450*

Tune2 555hp 950ftlbs 30psi 1650*

Tune3 585hp 1010ftlbs 31psi 1700*

Tune4 662hp 1175ftlbs 36psi 1700*

Tune5 726hp 1383ftlbs 44psi 1600*


Unfortunately I am running out of time so I will be bolting my 72mm vgt on it and the triples and dial it in so I can get this beast installed in the truck at the end of this week so I can make my 1/2 mile race in two weeks. I got a mile record to try and beat in half the distance! I went 159.8mph last year as I drove it everyday but my goal this year is 175mph. The current mile record is 172mph held by the Dmaxtuner truck a couple of years ago in Texas. I'll keep you guys posted and I will let you know what it does this week with the triples!
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Current fastest pass 1.520 60ft 6.705@108.95mph 1/8th 10.242@140.11mph
Current Standing 1/2Mile record holder for Diesel Pickup @ 159.8mph
Made it on fastest DMax list with Single VGT and single cp3 fuel only! 1.589 60ft 6.9291@103mph 1/8th 10.96@127.76mph
Stock motor best 11.277@119mph B68mmStg2R 250%inj 12mmcp3

Wife's tow rig-08 LMM SierraHD SLT2 "Stormy" CCSB murdered out 68mmSTG2R Exergy 12mmcp3 1/8th 7.93@88mph 1/4-12.408@109.18mph
06 GP GXP 5.3L StealthGray Metallic
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