Stock LML turbo on lbz?

LBZ_tom

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Hi, first post please move if it doesnt belong here....
What gains (if any) could my LBZ see from replacing the stock turbo with a stock LML turbo? Would it even be possible to swap? LML turbo has less than 20k and lbz turbo has upwards of 100k.
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Just had a person ask about putting an LLY turbo on an LBZ, too. Hopefully the guys will see this and answer your question quickly.

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You'd be going backwards. Lbz has a slightly bigger turbo plus it isn't a direct swap. Going to an LLY turbo is an upgrade, they are the largest stock Duramax turbo.
 

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For simplicity sake and ignoring the factory sizes, would it be possible to put a turbo designed for an lml on an lbz? From what I understand the only difference is the dp outlet angle. So with an lml down pipe, would this work? My gears are turning on this one with some ideas and as wondering if anyone has successfully done this or ran into other issues.
 

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So bumpity bump bump after a search

For simplicity sake and ignoring the factory sizes, would it be possible to put a turbo designed for an lml on an lbz? From what I understand the only difference is the dp outlet angle. So with an lml down pipe, would this work? My gears are turning on this one with some ideas and as wondering if anyone has successfully done this or ran into other issues.

You can physically bolt it up and control it. You would need a LML downpipe (11-15, non 3-bolt flange) but I don't see any logical reason to do so as there is no benefit over a stock turbo. You can put any 04.5-10 turbo on an LML with the 04.5-10 downpipe as well. The downfall is the LML lacks the same level of detail in the vane tables that the 04.5-10 trucks have (IE 04.5-10 trucks have much more adjustment/control in the vane tables).
 

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You can physically bolt it up and control it. You would need a LML downpipe (11-15, non 3-bolt flange) but I don't see any logical reason to do so as there is no benefit over a stock turbo. You can put any 04.5-10 turbo on an LML with the 04.5-10 downpipe as well. The downfall is the LML lacks the same level of detail in the vane tables that the 04.5-10 trucks have (IE 04.5-10 trucks have much more adjustment/control in the vane tables).

Smeding 364.5 fixed vane drop in :D
 

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Find someone who can weld pretty well and have them fab you up something. Fleece also sells a kit that will let you bolt up a s3/400 without major changes
 

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Just tried last week to put a lml on a lly. The only hiccup is in the pic. That coolant fitting keeps it around a half inch from setting down on the block.
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Did you make a work-around for it, Ike?
It's an old junk farm truck so I wasn't afraid to bend and pry. But try as I might, it would require a total revamp of the fuel return system including the fuel temp sensor. So definitely doable but not worth it in this app.

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It's an old junk farm truck so I wasn't afraid to bend and pry. But try as I might, it would require a total revamp of the fuel return system including the fuel temp sensor. So definitely doable but not worth it in this app.

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Good info here. Wonder if it would be the same on one of those s300 frames.
 

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The coolant lines off an 04.5 to 2010 turbo will bolt right up to an lml turbo. The difference is the feed side fitting sticks out much further on an lml casting. See pic.
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Correct, the S300 series turbos do not use coolant to cool the center section as they only use oil. Smeding blocks those coolant passages off like an S300/S400 kit does.