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Old 07-11-2019, 06:40 AM
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Is anyone making new snake oiler kits? I know Evan was working on them but haven't seen them released yet.




Is it possible to DIY or is that another "better left to the professionals" kind of deal?
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:06 AM
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These are pics I've pulled from one of Mike's posts in 2009. What I cannot confirm is if case mods are needed OR if it is something as simple as just making nice lines and getting high quality banjos etc.
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Old 07-11-2019, 07:56 AM
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A lot more involved than nice lines. Orifice size and pressure need to be calibrated. Remember you are stealing mainline pressure from the pump. Can your pump afford to lose that amount of prssure? If orifice is too large and pump pressure not enough; you will starve the pump and lazer cut the lining off the friction material on the C3 clutches. Be carefull.
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A lot more involved than nice lines. Orifice size and pressure need to be calibrated. Remember you are stealing mainline pressure from the pump. Can your pump afford to lose that amount of pressure? If orifice is too large and pump pressure not enough; you will starve the pump and lazer cut the lining off the friction material on the C3 clutches. Be carefull.
Thank you, this is exactly the info I was looking for. Are you still producing them or is Evan the go to for these now?

Are case modifications required to run this? My pump has a ratio-tek kit with orange spring and a shim. According to the builder he also drills the separator plate. My apologies as I do not know much about the internal building/modifications of these transmissions, it is one thing I would like to learn and plan to build my daily driver trans with it.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:18 AM
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Why did he drill the seperator plate?
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:26 AM
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Why did he drill the seperator plate?
No clue, that's what he said he did in a message to me.
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:35 AM
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Why did he drill the seperator plate?
I'm sure he's talking about the little tiny drill bit that comes with the ratiotek kit.
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Evans does not pull fluid from same spot as Mike's original kit. I've ran both a liked Evans design a little better.
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I'm sure he's talking about the little tiny drill bit that comes with the ratiotek kit.
That be the ballance hole for the pr valve in the pump plate. He said seperator plate which is the valve body plate. I was curious.
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Evans does not pull fluid from same spot as Mike's original kit. I've ran both a liked Evans design a little better.


Curious why that is?
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That be the ballance hole for the pr valve in the pump plate. He said seperator plate which is the valve body plate. I was curious.
I'd assume it is as Josh states but you know what they say when you assume. I feel it is a logical assumption since him and I were talking about line pressure.
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I have Evans kit, and it pulls pressure from the cooler fittings. And goes in to the same spot as you have pictures of
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Evans does not pull fluid from same spot as Mike's original kit. I've ran both a liked Evans design a little better.
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Curious why that is?
I'm with James on this one, not saying one is better than the other. I am just curious as to why you prefer Evan's over Mike's design? I'm going to be in the market for one for next season (transitioning from sled pulling to more drag racing oriented) and want to give my trans the best shot it can at survival in a hot-lap situation.


I know most are not fans of the Mishimoto trans cooler but that thing works damn good for the cost. At DPC on the ~20min dyno test of maybe 20-40mph winds from fans I saw a max of 200f with a 3400 stall converter, that little cooler owes me nothing.
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Well I cooked the trans last night. Went sled pulling and left the line in 3rd gear. Truck was running good but I pedaled it a bit to try and get it to hook up (first 20ft) then laid back into it. Locked the converter and everything felt good. All of a sudden the truck tried to grab fourth at the ~75ft range. I believe I had the wrong trans tune in it which allowed it to grab fourth if not placed in 3rd (my typical trans file doesn't care if its in drive, it limits to 3rd only), at DPC I used this same file and it didn't try to grab fourth.



Currently, the truck will move forward ONLY in a 3rd gear start file. If I put a normal trans tune back in the truck it won't move at all. It acts like it has a trans brake and immediately is up against the converter. It has no reverse, it tried to move forward in neutral after the hook when I got it into the pits. You cannot push the truck easily by hand with the truck in neutral and running.



I'm wondering if when it tried to grab 4th that it may have cooked the C1 since 3rd gear is C1/C3 and 4th is C1/C2. I don't believe the trans releases C1 during the 3->4 shift, is that correct? For the rebuild, I am going to end up buying one of Evan's DIY kits and completely going through the trans to make sure it is ready to go for next season. I am just glad this failure didn't occur at DPC! Side note, can a Mike L/Evan C3 oiler be used with a trans that has Goerend C3 lube PTO covers installed/case drilled for them?
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-Tuned by Starlite
-Cast S475/96/1.10 T6 Over Stock IHI, FASS 150,4" Exhaust, RCD Sump, PPE Sleeves, DHD Centerlink Brace, DHD Lower Crossmember Support, Steering Wheel Radio Control Swap, LML Oil Pump, LML Piston Cooling Nozzles, 2020 L5P Oil Cooler, Derale Aux Oil Cooler w/Fan, Banks iDash 1.8 Monitoring System
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Goerend pto covers will not bother it.
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