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Old 08-11-2016, 11:54 AM
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.308 is more than sufficient if the shooter does his job. I've used all the 30 cal cartridges for most types of game and ended up streamlining all my rifles to .223 and .308 except the .338 lapua.

I have yet to have a beast stand up from a well placed .308. The only thing in NA I haven't gone after is a Grizzly.

On the duramax portion of this site, I am a relative laymen by comparison to Mike L and some other guys. In the shooting sphere, that's a different story entirely. NRA distinguished expert in the JR league at 14, Distinguished expert in NRA by 19, 3 gun competitor, 1000 yard competitor, trap and skeet competitor (formerly, I gave up all formal competition a few years ago in all areas of life). Not trying to boost my own ego, just saying I am a marksman with the targets to back it up. I shoot roughly 18,000 rounds per year of each of my calibers.

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While it can be said I shoot more than I hunt, the amount of practice involved gives you an intimate relationship with what you use, both ammo/weapon. My longest shot on target is 1,500+/- meters. My longest kill shot on a big whitetail buck was 800, shooting with increased elevation and IIRC a 10-ish mph cross wind. .308 to the heart and a long hike up the bluff to get him. A .308 is the bread an butter of any rifle arsenal, good enough for just about anything if you the shooter do your part. Yes, there are bigger and better, but it's overkill for the few elk you'll get each season. The money to re-outfit in a new caliber would be better spent on reloading equipment and many thousands of rounds of practice.
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:11 PM
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[QUOTE=oscyjack;1016870].308 is more than sufficient if the shooter does his job. I've used all the 30 cal cartridges for most types of game and ended up streamlining all my rifles to .223 and .308 except the .338 lapua.

I have yet to have a beast stand up from a well placed .308. The only thing in NA I haven't gone after is a Grizzly.

On the duramax portion of this site, I am a relative laymen by comparison to Mike L and some other guys. In the shooting sphere, that's a different story entirely. NRA distinguished expert in the JR league at 14, Distinguished expert in NRA by 19, 3 gun competitor, 1000 yard competitor, trap and skeet competitor (formerly, I gave up all formal competition a few years ago in all areas of life). Not trying to boost my own ego, just saying I am a marksman with the targets to back it up. I shoot roughly 18,000 rounds per year of each of my calibers.



9mm
.45 ACP
.223 (wylde chamber in my comp rigs)
.308
.338 lapua (only shoot 1,500 of these, cuz they are hella expensive)

How is your Lapua set up? Any pics?

I am def going to hunt with just my .308 this year and like you all say dont take a long stupid shots. That Lapua is still going to make its way into my safe though sooner or later
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Old 08-11-2016, 12:32 PM
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I can snap one this week. I don't really do pictures hahaha, never had the patience or the desire to be distracted from what i'm doing to share it with other people. If they were interested, they'd be out there with me! hahaha.
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Old 08-11-2016, 03:32 PM
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Old 08-11-2016, 09:37 PM
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I disagree with you. At 500 yards the 308 will have about 1,000 ME at the most. Not the greatest caliber at that yardage. Unless you pull off a perfect shot without hitting bone, you won't put it down. It is more humane to use a bigger caliber and it gives you a much better chance for a one shot kill.
A heavier long bullet like the 338 will do less damage than a high velocity 30 caliber which tends to blow up on contact and ruin meat.
my apologies that wasn't the way that was meant.. Yes on ME you are correct. I mean most people in general shouldn't be taking unethical shot bascially. Yes the 338 has a ton of energy but that doesn't mean it should be it should be just gotten and shot.. And a heavier long bullet at the speeds a lapua will be pushing it inside of 300 yards will destroy a ton of meat.. Do you honestly consider the 308 that high of velocity? or are you comparing to say the 300 win mag or weatherby or 30 nosler?
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Agreed most people think they are going to get the big caliber and gun and be the next chris kyle shooting a mile. In reality 400 yards and out so much comes in to play its very difficult to be accurate. Beyond 500 and it takes years of skill, trainkng, right ammo and a worked weapon. I have deer hunted my whole life, spent 20 years in service part of that as a cop and i dont take shots on live targets beyond 300, i prefer closer. But im not an operator either
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A .338 lapua isn't going to be any lighter than a 7mm mag. A 7mm mag will kill anything in North America, but a .308 also will in the right hands. Personally, I'd take the 7mm mag. That's what I carry, and it works. When I was developing a load for Elk I was using 150gr Barnes TTSX and 160gr Nosler Partitions. 140 Berger VLD's are tits for whitetails.
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I picked up 2 boxes of 168 gr and 2 of 175 grain last night and going to see how they group at 200-300 yrds.

I love my 7MM but now i am sold on the pistol grip, i guess i could change out the stock ? hmmmmmm now you got me thinking
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How long is the barrel on your .308 AR?
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I picked up 2 boxes of 168 gr and 2 of 175 grain last night and going to see how they group at 200-300 yrds.

I love my 7MM but now i am sold on the pistol grip, i guess i could change out the stock ? hmmmmmm now you got me thinking
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How long is the barrel on your .308 AR?
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i would like to use my chamber still but change to the AR style platform so i can have pistol grip and collapsible stock, its still going to be a long barrel though and may be top heavy?
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From reviews watched/read its well balanced... The $5,000 so price tag though

My ar308 has a 16" barrel rather carry it vs a 24" barrel through the brush
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I think I would be worried about the loss of velocity and energy shooting a .308 out of a 16" barrel more than anything else.
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If I had a 7mag and a .308 and I was going elk hunting I'd take the 7mag. Yes elk can be killed with a .308, with restraint on the shooter's part and cooperation from the elk and the conditions.

Personally, I don't like seeing big game animals taken with an AR style rifle. It degrades the animal and the hunter. The animal appears as it was pursued unfairly. The hunter looks like a "prepper" that can't hit the broadside of a barn while standing inside it. Then it's just what the left wants to use in anti-gun rhetoric to take away my 2A rights as a hunter and gun collector.

I see a lot of people comparing guns and bows to justify caliber choice. You can't do that. An arrow kills by slicing vital components. A bullet kills by ballistic shock once the bullet expands and/or fragments.
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