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Old 08-10-2016, 04:01 PM
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How far are you comfortable shooting? Most people shouldn't shoot over 400 yards. A 308 will take your elk just fine in all them Calibers. I feel like people get to hung up on the biggest baddest caliber. FYI I work for a large Gun Manufacture.. And it is peoples mentality of have to have that big caliber bullet or the latest craze that has allowed me to have a job. Don't get me wrong the 338 Lapua Mag is a beast of a cartridge just like the rest of the 338 except for a few of the smaller ones like the 338 Federal mentioned above. If your shooting under 600 yards then there is really no reason for it. If you want to eat the animal it will tear it up. There have been many many moose (In Europe where they are smaller than American moose) killed with a 6.5x55 which back in the earlier years and the earlier mausers they were loaded at a very low pressure. So a smaller bullet with not as much ass behind it killed a larger animal. Summing all this up your 308 will work great, you are comfortable with it, pick a good bullet and only take a shot you know you will hit where you aim.

Now if you want a 338 LM get it.. That is your American right

On a side note I was like most when it comes to the AR. I was never into one.. However I do have a 458 socom and I do like that alot in the AR. I realize that isn't what we are talking about but it has a fun factor for the AR for me.

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I disagree with you. At 500 yards the 308 will have about 1,000 ME at the most. Not the greatest caliber at that yardage. Unless you pull off a perfect shot without hitting bone, you won't put it down. It is more humane to use a bigger caliber and it gives you a much better chance for a one shot kill.
A heavier long bullet like the 338 will do less damage than a high velocity 30 caliber which tends to blow up on contact and ruin meat.
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Too bad they only made one in 458win mag
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A .308 like most on here have said is a very capable round, depending on the distance. Consider that people do take elk, bear and other large game with a compound bow which has less momentum. Shot placement and distance. .338 lapua is a hell of a round but follow up shots take longer and the felt recoil is more. The AR 10 is better than the AR 15 IMO and inhave used one hog hunting. That being said the average person is not accurate beyond 350 to 400 and in that range the .308 is very capable for elk. Beyond that i would go .300 as it is less recoil than a .338 and offers better follow up shots. A 7mm is about par for the course with a 30.06 however the .06 will give heavier tips. The .308, 7mm and .06 are not very different in capabilities other than bullet weight. So yes, the AR 10 within capable distance and proper shpt placement is more than effective. Although, i think a good mechanical vlade rage tipped arrow gives better blood trail lol
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this is a good read: http://www.chuckhawks.com/elk_cartridges.htm
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How far are you comfortable shooting? Most people shouldn't shoot over 400 yards. A 308 will take your elk just fine in all them Calibers. I feel like people get to hung up on the biggest baddest caliber. FYI I work for a large Gun Manufacture..
Let me know if you have any questions I will be glad to help with this. I could trade knowledge on this for duramax knowledge..

Which manufactuer? Do you get friends and family discount? Are you in market for new best friend? Lol

Agreed most people think they are going to get the big caliber and gun and be the next chris kyle shooting a mile. In reality 400 yards and out so much comes in to play its very difficult to be accurate. Beyond 500 and it takes years of skill, trainkng, right ammo and a worked weapon. I have deer hunted my whole life, spent 20 years in service part of that as a cop and i dont take shots on live targets beyond 300, i prefer closer. But im not an operator either
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Most people could not hit the broad side of a barn at 300 yards. Some of you guys are dreaming. Do any of you guys know the loss of energy of your particular bullet at long yardage? Do you think because it goes bang out of the barrel that it still goes bang beyond 300 yards? No it doesn't and it has lost 75% of its energy. A 357 mag has more energy out the barrel than a 308 at 500 yards. Can you kill an elk with a 357? Yes with a perfect point blank shot. If it isn't perfect, he will just run away and walk it off. Probably hurt for a while.
I speak from a lot of experience. I've gone into the bush after wounded boars, bear, elk. Let me tell you; when you do that, you never have enough gun when they come for you.
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I have never hunted elk before, but I went to Federal's website and used their little ammo selection tool to see what they suggested. The ammo they suggest for elk out past 300 yards still has almost 2000 ft lbs of energy at 300 yards. I would think that should be enough to put down an elk with proper shot placement.
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Most people could not hit the broad side of a barn at 300 yards. Some of you guys are dreaming. Do any of you guys know the loss of energy of your particular bullet at long yardage? Do you think because it goes bang out of the barrel that it still goes bang beyond 300 yards? No it doesn't and it has lost 75% of its energy. A 357 mag has more energy out the barrel than a 308 at 500 yards. Can you kill an elk with a 357? Yes with a perfect point blank shot. If it isn't perfect, he will just run away and walk it off. Probably hurt for a while.
I speak from a lot of experience. I've gone into the bush after wounded boars, bear, elk. Let me tell you; when you do that, you never have enough gun when they come for you.
Mike I didn't picture you as a hunter. Step up 2 more notches in my book.
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Do you think because it goes bang out of the barrel that it still goes bang beyond 300 yards? No it doesn't and it has lost 75% of its energy. A 357 mag has more energy out the barrel than a 308 at 500 yards. .
Handload boys I don't hunt, but I'm an avid reloader, and it can make all the difference in the world over store bought ammo.

FWIW, a 178gr Hornady .308 has 2000ftlbs at 300yds, and will still have over 1500ft lbs of energy at 500yds (from about 2800 at 50yds); . A 357 mag will have around 1100ftlbs at the muzzle from a rifle and HALF that out of a revolver. Whether any of the three examples are enough to adequately dispatch an Elk at any distance, I can't tell ya. But never compare a pistol caliber to a rifle round, , unless it's inside of say 100yds.
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My elk gun is a .300 wm.....taken a couple with it north of 200yds and one at 300+. I bang targets with it and can put an 8 inch group together at 700 yds. Will I ever make that shot on any game..... hell no! I don't have the confidence in my skill set to take an animal down at that range. Too many variables there that aren't present when I'm shooting off a bench. .308 has enough balls to do the job if you know your gun and it's capabilities. .338 lm is more than enough gun for north American game ...however, a round with the energy that the .338 packs can destroy a lot of meat if you're not on par with your shot placement.

This is a highly disputed argument.....on any forum. Use what your comfortable making the shot with.
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The go to gun in Alaska for moose (bigger than most elk) is a .308. I don't see an issue, especially since your grouping is tight at 300 yards. My 2 cents.
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Hunting was fun before the Internet. You went out with some buddies enjoy the outdoors and maybe gotta take down a nice animal.

I met a guide that's done guided hunts all over North America. He never carried anything bigger than a .30-30.

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I think a lot of people overthink this nowdays. People have been taking down game since guns were first invented. A huge number of buffalo were taken with black powder rifles... and spears. It all comes down to knowing the limitations of your weapon of choice, and working within them, both historically and today.

If an arrow can kill an elk, a .308 will do great. Just be sure of your shot placement. It sounds like you are confident in your abilities, and know when to (or not to) take the shot. You'll do fine.

And since several people have mentioned using too much gun will waste meat, I will share my experience with that. When I was younger, to see exactly how true that was, I took a jackrabbit down with my .45-70. Perfect placement on the entry wound, but the exit wound was the entire right half of the rabbit. It completely vaporized its right front leg, just a fine mist spread over 10' of dirt. Lost about 1/3-1/2 the usable meat (not that there is much usable meat on a rabbit).
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Just use a .22 that's my go to gun for everything. Lol. Cheap gun and cheap shells and I've shot many axis with it. When I wanna blow a hole through a elephants **s I use my 30.06, 165 grain ballistic tips. That's all I need here in Texas!! Oh and shotgun for the birdies.
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The go to gun in Alaska for moose (bigger than most elk) is a .308. I don't see an issue, especially since your grouping is tight at 300 yards. My 2 cents.
Um no.... 300 Weatherby/win mag. and much, much bigger. Have you ever been up close and personal with and Alaskan Moose, Interior Grizzly or a Kodiak Bear? No f-ing way .308 is the go to gun up here...
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