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Old 02-13-2013, 11:43 AM
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and also...we put a Redhead steering box on Schulte's truck and the POS was trashed after 30k miles. I still say that the best replacement for your money is a used low-mile factory steering box from a junkyard.

IMO no "remanufactured" steering box to date has proven that it lasts as long as a "factory new" unit.


Its pretty hard to find actual "NEW" factory steering boxes. If you go to the dealer or any parts store, they will give you a remanufactured box.

What would be the ultimate badass setup would be to retrofit a 2011+ HD steering box. They have a quicker ratio (I think its 16:1, the 2010 and older HD boxes are like 20:1 or something???), much bigger/stronger. Unfortunately it wont bolt on to the 2010 and older frames...so you would need an adapter plate and some custom fab stuff.

Supposedly PSC was working on a 2011+ steering box retrofit kit, but they kinda shelved it due to the fact that they felt no customers would want to pay as much as it would cost for the kit.

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and also...we put a Redhead steering box on Schulte's truck and the POS was trashed after 30k miles. I still say that the best replacement for your money is a used low-mile factory steering box from a junkyard.

IMO no "remanufactured" steering box to date has proven that it lasts as long as a "factory new" unit.


Its pretty hard to find actual "NEW" factory steering boxes. If you go to the dealer or any parts store, they will give you a remanufactured box.

What would be the ultimate badass setup would be to retrofit a 2011+ HD steering box. They have a quicker ratio (I think its 16:1, the 2010 and older HD boxes are like 20:1 or something???), much bigger/stronger. Unfortunately it wont bolt on to the 2010 and older frames...so you would need an adapter plate and some custom fab stuff.

Supposedly PSC was working on a 2011+ steering box retrofit kit, but they kinda shelved it due to the fact that they felt no customers would want to pay as much as it would cost for the kit.

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I'd be happy with the front differential out of a 2011, I like how they have an inspection cover and you don't have to split the front diff to work on it
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I'd be happy with the front differential out of a 2011, I like how they have an inspection cover and you don't have to split the front diff to work on it
yeah, the 2011+ front diff actually looks like a "differential"!

Im sure its stronger, but on the other hand, its not like a lot of guys are blowing up the factory 2001-2010 front diffs...
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Ok Im not gonna touch that screw lol
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Ok Im not gonna touch that screw lol
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I understand Ben's point, but honestly, you have to learn somewhere, he did, and I did as well, which also means you can. Steering boxes aren't ridiculously expensive, so if you mess up, you could always just buy another one. (just dont mess up!)

Just do you research, buy the parts kit, (Rockauto sells all the seals for cheap) and go to town. The downside of this, is that your truck might be down for a bit, so it isnt a popular option.

I agree with Ben that factory new boxes are the best.... all the others are remanned and they usually dont last as long. Growing up, my dad had an 87 burb 1500 4x4, it died at 215k and the gearbox was the factory one, and it was as stiff as the day it came off of the show room floor. But then again, most things arent made like they were back in the day.
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yeah, the 2011+ front diff actually looks like a "differential"!

Im sure its stronger, but on the other hand, its not like a lot of guys are blowing up the factory 2001-2010 front diffs...
I don't know of anyone trashing them either. But the fact you don't have to split the housing is what I like. I can't get my axles out for nothin, and I'm not splitting the case to do it, I was afraid to bust something, I used a slide hammer, come-a-long with a slide hammer, they can leak.
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I just seen that Dmaxstore sell a KRYPTONITE reman steering box. Anyone know anything about them?
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I just seen that Dmaxstore sell a KRYPTONITE reman steering box. Anyone know anything about them?
I would like to know this as well.
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I just got my steering box from the dmax store, and it is a redhead. They want a few buck more than redhead but there shipping was significantly cheaper. I'm really happy with it so far but time will tell.
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I read a thread the other day that a guy bought one and his was sliggish like the factory one, he called redhead and they sent him one with larger pistons and seems to be awesome, but that's just one guy and his opinion. I've never been totally happy with the steering on my truck.
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I adjusted my steering box after I installed the kryptonite setup. 30k miles so far and still perfect. No slops at all. It takes patience and several test driving to get the adjustment right. I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, just to those who have experience with adjusting and rebuilt a steering box.
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and also...we put a Redhead steering box on Schulte's truck and the POS was trashed after 30k miles. I still say that the best replacement for your money is a used low-mile factory steering box from a junkyard.

IMO no "remanufactured" steering box to date has proven that it lasts as long as a "factory new" unit.


Its pretty hard to find actual "NEW" factory steering boxes. If you go to the dealer or any parts store, they will give you a remanufactured box.

What would be the ultimate badass setup would be to retrofit a 2011+ HD steering box. They have a quicker ratio (I think its 16:1, the 2010 and older HD boxes are like 20:1 or something???), much bigger/stronger. Unfortunately it wont bolt on to the 2010 and older frames...so you would need an adapter plate and some custom fab stuff.

Supposedly PSC was working on a 2011+ steering box retrofit kit, but they kinda shelved it due to the fact that they felt no customers would want to pay as much as it would cost for the kit.

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Bumping an old thread here, so all you need is an adapter? Seems too simple. What about the pitman arm? Is it the same 3 spline unit 01-10 trucks use? Same length? Keeps center link in the same location? I'm not nitpicking here, I'm interested in doing the swap. But that seems to easy to be true.

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Bumping an old thread here, so all you need is an adapter? Seems too simple. What about the pitman arm? Is it the same 3 spline unit 01-10 trucks use? Same length? Keeps center link in the same location? I'm not nitpicking here, I'm interested in doing the swap. But that seems to easy to be true.

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Ive never looked at the two boxes side by side, so I cant say how much they are different. Ive never looked at any of the other steering parts side by side either.

What we need is someone who knows fabbing/suspension/steering systems, to set the two trucks side by side, and take measurements and look at the exact differences and see what would have to be done.

It would be an awesome setup, if the LML box could be retrofitted. I think PSC gave up on it because they knew that the kit would be expensive due to R&D involved...and they probably guessed they would never get their ROI, because unsuspecting customers would see an "expensive retrofit kit", sold side by side an "UPGRADED" (I use that term loosely, we know all rebuilt/upgraded boxes are shit) rebuilt 2001-2010 steering box for half the price......9 out of 10 customers who call PSC for a replacement steering box dont know that any rebuilt box is shit...and they're much much more likely to buy a $400 upgraded steering box than a $1000 (just guessing) 2011+ retrofit kit. (because the customers dont know any better, they hear "upgraded fully rebuilt steering box" and we all know anything thats labeled "upgraded" is automatically better than factory )

If that makes sense?

I have a couple friends who are incredibly talented fabricators and have built countless 4x4 buggies and offroad rigs from scratch, and designed custom steering systems (they are both mech engineers)...I would love to get them access to both trucks side-by-side, and get their input on what would be feasible, and what custom parts would be needed.

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I wonder if the steering box mounting plate on the frame for gmt800 is similar to older platforms, yeah why would you want to go older most would say but then again some of the older boxes like say from the 73-87(91) platform were pretty stout. Just a thought
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If you're looking to retrofit a 2011 power steering system to you truck, you would probably be better suited to contact Jeff Howe at Howe Performance Power Steering. http://www.howeperformance.com/

He could probably give you any feedback that would be best suited to your application.
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